Thank you! I like the comparison you have offered, it is informative and confirms in my mind that CSM/Scrum is software industry specific. Some of what is scrum existed by other names in other industries before software industry started using scrum, so SM has sometimes seemed confusing as I have tried thinking about it for the business which software is created for.

I like how you bring in the industry agnostic thoughts. It would be extremely useful to organizations if a lot of the confusion about agile terminology could be cleared up. Maturity of usage starts with common language and your clarification between industry agnostic and software industry is important. Great that you point that out.

Kudos for taking on the comparison and sharing it!
Diana

Thank you for taking the time to reply. I do not think I misunderstand the reason for the CSM. If you read the post, it clearly states the purpose of the CSM. Which, I am afraid, is not to “declare that an individual has obtained complete knowledge” The Scrum Alliance states that, “A CSM Course is Only the First Step. Becoming agile is a lifelong journey. Incorporating Scrum principles and practices into your world of work takes diligence, patience, and a commitment to continuous improvement.” To say one has complete knowledge is to say that they have arrived. however I am going to chalk it up to language differences.

I agree Agile is largely about people, and both certifications put a large focus upon that.

I think you missunderstood concept of CSM. Its not about to declare somebody being guru, it is only declaring that an individual obtained complete knowledge. There is too many opinions on what agile and scrum is, most of them vague and incomplete. I propose my article about the topic – Does „certified“ driving license matter? http://www.agilia.cz/2011/06/potrebujeme-certifikovany-vodicsky.html

I also think the comparison ignores fact that Agile is primarily about people engagement. Linking Agile to a set of process techniques seems to me inapropriate.

thx,
Zohar

I’m looking for information relating to the upcoming event in Dublin, Ireland.

Could you confirm that this course:
Covers the PMI educational requirement for the PMI-ACP application?
Supplies 21 PMI PDU’s

I would be grateful if you could also advise the costs for the event.

Kind regards,

Wayne

I represent SABCONS Project Management Consultants, India’s first R.E.P.

It was great listening to the podcast – very informative.

Mr. Frank Schettini (PMI Executive Sponsor for Agile Certification) says PMI has provided REPs with reference documents that formed the basis for most of the questions in the exam. I am not sure if I have missed some communication and I am not aware of these inputs. Could you please assist me?

Thanks in advance.

Best Regards,

M.R. Sriprasad

I think that the list of differences that you have pointed out more or less is complete.

For it had lost its creditability for all practical purposes. Secondly the knowledge one gains from attending the CSM course is all depended on the instructor, I have seen classed of CSM, where you have 40+ participants, Not sure , how effective is the communication between the inststructor & the participants.

PMI ACP is sure to shake up a few threads in our industry and hopefully we shall be able to take weeds out.

I have experienced myself people who are CSM and have little or no clue on what happens as a SCRUM MASTER or what the role would do …. and they have attended the classes and GUESS what they are CSMs ….

I am very much sure that these comments of mine are going to attract a lot more attention …. but that’s the MOMENT OF TRUTH for all of us to face and understand ….

I am glad that SCRUM ALLIANCE is planning to revamp the CSM program, happy that they did CSP

My 2 cents